Anonymous Iran

NiteOwl

Hi,
I'm starting to translate it, and realized you probably already got a bunch of emails like this, but FWIW here's what I got:

I also got mad at the foreign minister when I heard about his statement (his background is in humanitarian work, you'd think he'd know better than approve of such a cruel regime... but he's not a good politician, imho, often said BS statements either for publicity or because he didn't think twice) and then did a little bit more digging, and here's the interpretation and re-statement by the foreign ministry:
1. He was at parliament (national assembly) and people asked him what France was going to do wrt AN. (so this is an improvised statement, not an official press release)

2. His words, translated as closely as possible, would have been: "I'm afraid he's not the first one [I'm assuming he's referring to something in the question, maybe they asked saying 'given fraudulently elected...'] who will have to be recognized. There have been some challenges to this election (...) but if everyone in Iran agrees to name him president, it would be useless and counter-productive to be the only ones to go against it"
[gosh, I miss the Chirac days when Chirac was not scared of being "the only ones" to oppose something he thought was wrong :-( ]
He then followed by statements of support to the democracy movement and of hope for a better future for Iran and of how exceptional the current situation was.
And of course finished by talking about nuclear stuff, because it's the only thing that western countries seem to care about.

3. A few hours later, the french foreign ministry confirmed/rephrased his statement by making it clear that he was not recognized now, and that they would only recognize him "eventually" if "everyone" in Iran agrees to recognize him. That has been interpreted as meaning if the other presidential candidates do.

La France reconnaîtra Ahmadinejad s'il est proclamé président par tous - Spécial Iran - Information NouvelObs.com

Now I really, really hope that is the true interpretation and that France won't make an ass out of themselves and all the French citizens :-(
On another level, I wonder if the situation with Clotilde Reiss has something to do with it. France has been known to make some major foreign policy moves to get back even one hostage/detained person.

More on the links that were posted in the GB about the Kouchner statement, and some language analysis of his statements:

First of all, he speaks more colloquial french than most politicians, which means he uses "incorrectly' his tenses. So instead of saying "he would not be the first one [] who would have to be recognized " he said something like
"he would not be the first one [] who will have to be recognized" (in english the difference is easy, in french a lot of people are too lazy to conjugate that verb correctly). People skipped the " he would" part at the beginning of the sentence when translating.

Second, an "if" got translated as a "since" (and technically both translations are correct, this was an ambiguous sentence). And as we know, there is a huge difference between
"regognize him since he has been proclaimed pres. by everyone in Iran"

and

" recognize him if he has been proclaimed pres. by everyone in Iran"
Given the statements by the foreign ministry later, it sounds like the second option was the correct one.
Time will tell what will happen, but this was in no way an official statement of recognition or promise.
* crosses fingers *

Visionary

Wow! Thanks so much for the further in-depth analysis.
You're really working like crazy on this stuff right now. lol
(and you did an amazing job with the translations earlier)

Unregistered

Thank you so very much for this thorough translation and analysis.
Very good job!

Unregistered

After the speech of Bernard Kouchner in Senate, the ministry of foreign affairs precised that "the eventually recognition which would occur only in case of agreement of everybody in Iran, mostly the other candidates in the presidential election."

Source : La France reconnaîtra Ahmadinejad s'il est proclamé président par tous - Spécial Iran - Information NouvelObs.com

Unregistered

example... ?

Unregistered

hmm....iraq war?

Unregistered

Chirac based right and wrong by how much trade the wrongdoer had with France. I see French cars all over Iran, and ads from French companies all over Iran. I don't remember Chirac speaking loudly about human rights abuses in Iran. French companies had contracts with Sadam Hussein's Iraq.


Must be the French version of Bush derangment syndrome.

Unregistered

lol, thanks for the insight.

Unregistered

the title says : "France will recognize AN if he is proclaimed by everyone".

later on it adds "eveyone in Iran".

Also says that "France will continue to be solidary with the opposition for more democracy" (et continuera à soutenir le mouvement d'opposition pour davantage de démocratie).

When asked by parlementaries about recognition of AN's second mandate : Kouchner said that France had no choice ; and that"I fear that it would not be the first one that we have to recognize" (Je crains que ce ne soit pas le premier qui va devoir être reconnu) and "but if everyone in Iran recognizes one person as president" (mais si tout le monde en Iran proclame l'élection d'un président) "it would be counter productif and in vain to go in the opposite direction" (ce serait bien inutile et contre-productif que d'aller tout seul dans le sens contraire)

HTH
Nazanine

Unregistered

Nope. At that time France and Germany were supposed to sign a large contracts with Iraqis so these governments were against war in Iraq.
"the right and wrong" of Chirac are also "the right and wrong" of German politicians and German companies. (eg. Siemens)