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sina12345 · 06-17-2009

You may be right, these protests may be about years of built of anger and suppresion, but they cannot come out and say that this is against the regime. In fact, many don't want to go against the regime, but if this turns into some sort of revolution, there will be much more bloodshed. Which is why they must fight for this election, because it is part of the big picture.

If Iranians manage to set the elections straight, then I have high hopes for a gradual change in regime, policy, and a shift in power.

I Ran Hubbard · 06-17-2009

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Think about it this way if all the ballets can be traced back, why would you dump them in the trash where people will be able to find them.

Not that it is relevant at all, but such cases have been known to happen in the US throughout it's history. Florida with paper tapes, Chicago with boxes floating in the river, and other examples that mean nothing but just anecdotal.

06-17-2009

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it does not matter who really won the election

And here is why democracy fails. "It does not matter who won! We'll just throw them out and get whatever we want!".

GreenSe7en · 06-18-2009

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And here is why democracy fails. "It does not matter who won! We'll just throw them out and get whatever we want!".

No democracy fails when the elected government violently try to stop free speech and non-violent protests. The corrupt government has shown its true colors. the Iranian peoples trust has been violated and their will bee no trusted recount. It is new election, Musavi or revolution. I ask you, what if tomorrow they announce a recount with the same results as the first.... Do you think the Iranian people will stop their protest. If you do you are an idiot.

06-18-2009

Musavi, or Ahmadinejad makes no difference. Iran has paid their blood for many years to protect their country and government. The face of the leader does not change the violence and oppression. No matter who wins the vote Iran has already lost.

06-18-2009

You know what's funny about presidential elctions in Iran? The Government itself (in this case ahamdinejad and his goons) Holds the elections and no independent/international Observers are allowed. what do you really expect from such system?

anonymoss · 06-18-2009

revolution often fails because the government chances, but the people don't; so history has a chance to repeat itself.

However, the people seem to have changed too this time. Just make sure everyone remembers what is happening right now.

And be aware of 'leaders' who are just looking for sheeple...

06-18-2009

Sure, they're going to fake elections and then throw opposition ballots to garbage. How gullible you have to be? Especially when this is known pattern by CIA.

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/0...nt-to-connect/

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Before you start connecting the dots, consider this: The attempt to discredit the elections and cause instability in Iran look very much like a scheme we�ve seen before � directly out of the CIA playbook. We�ve seen this pattern in so many elections in Venezuela, for example, I swear that even the Chavistas would be disappointed if it doesn�t reappear next time around. After all, a little drama does add some excitement in elections where consistent landslide victories are won by presidents like Chavez and Ahmadinejad. So here we go again � the old Langley one, two, three:

1. Groom an opposition candidate to run against the guy you hate, pay him well and line up your media to back him.

2. During the campaign, sell him as the savior of the bourgeois opposition who lost their money in the revolution. Use your own pollsters and media propaganda to convince his followers that they are going to win by a wide margin.

3. When your guy loses, scream �FRAUD!� It�s akin to yelling �FIRE!� in a crowded theatre, inflaming all those disappointed bourgeois counter-revolutionaries. Get them out on the street, setting fires, playing the victim, waving flags, ready-to-go placards, banners, women crying in front of CNN cameras and men yelling angrily into Christiana Amanpour�s microphone. Only this time, they�re ready to burn their own flag instead of the U.S. flag. I tell ya, it makes great TV for a western audience. (Incidentally, don�t take Christiana�s reports too seriously. The Amanpours, like many Iranian expats, led a privileged life under the Shah of Iran and lost their ill gotten wealth as a result of the Iranian revolution in �79. Naturally, Christiana was very upset. Later, she married James Rubin, an arch-Zionist, and regained her status, good money and even some fame, this time as a CNN reporter in service to the empire.)

Mir Hussein Mousavi followed his script, declared to his followers that the election was invalid instead of graciously accepting defeat. CIA�s shill, Manuel Rosales, did exactly the same thing in Venezuela when he lost large to President Chavez in 2006. The opposition came out and banged their pots and pans, then went home to bed. When Ahmadinejad reached out to Mousavi and his followers, offering to give them a part in the new government, Mousavi rejected the offer. Folks, these are not exactly marks of a real statesman, ready to lead a nation.

The same thing happened in Venezuela:

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Runa · 06-18-2009

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Stop this madness and the killing.

Yes, I say the same. To the Iranian Government.

06-18-2009

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A very reliable source says that CIA is behind this.

Even the US massmedia says that.

I live in America and pay attention to the mass media (though American mainstream media is pathetic, if it is real journalism you want). I have, however, not seen or heard anything about the CIA being behind this.

The CIA is not as powerful as it is believed to be, so it should not be blamed for everything under the sun. Of course, the 1953 coup was absolutely a CIA plot; that is beyond question. however, the CIA was in a much different position then as compared to now.

My guess is that this is for real, and any outside influence is not critical for how this is going to continue or end.

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sina12345 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 20	You may be right, these protests may be about years of built of anger and suppresion, but they cannot come out and say that this is against the regime. In fact, many don't want to go against the regime, but if this turns into some sort of revolution, there will be much more bloodshed. Which is why they must fight for this election, because it is part of the big picture. If Iranians manage to set the elections straight, then I have high hopes for a gradual change in regime, policy, and a shift in power. __________________ Follow Iranian twitter: http://tinyurl.com/n2vajl

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06-18-2009	#15 (permalink)
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Musavi, or Ahmadinejad makes no difference. Iran has paid their blood for many years to protect their country and government. The face of the leader does not change the violence and oppression. No matter who wins the vote Iran has already lost.

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Mehrdad Tehran Guest Posts: n/a	You know what's funny about presidential elctions in Iran? The Government itself (in this case ahamdinejad and his goons) Holds the elections and no independent/international Observers are allowed. what do you really expect from such system?

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anonymoss Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	revolution often fails because the government chances, but the people don't; so history has a chance to repeat itself. However, the people seem to have changed too this time. Just make sure everyone remembers what is happening right now. And be aware of 'leaders' who are just looking for sheeple...

Anonymous Iran

Opposition Ballots found in Garbage

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