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Paleene · 09-20-2009

On EA from Friday:

"The Green Movement is highlighting the possibility that marjas, the highest-ranking senior clerics, will not declare that Ramadan has ended Sunday and can be celebrated with the feast of Eid al-Fitr. In particular, it is noted that the websites of Ayatollah Montazeri and of Ayatollah Sane’i have not yet declared that the Holy Month is over.

Ayatollahs Mousavi-Ardebili, Safi-Golpaygani, and Bayat-Zanjani are also declaring that they have not seen the crescent of the moon. And now Hojatoleslam Taghdiri, the head of the crescent observation committee of Tehran Province, has said that there is no way that the crescent can be observed tonight, permitting Eid al-Fitr to proceed tomorrow.

The statements are significant because they defy the declaration of the Supreme Leader that Sunday is the end of Ramadan holiday." continues here:http://enduringamerica.com/2009/09/1...er/#more-17654

Obviously, I am not used to the customs of the Islam (which made me wondering about the "crescent observation committee" to start with). Well, as fare as I am concerned, I believe to observe the crescent of the moon can be done by any ordinary people. So if Ramadan is declared to not have ended yet because of the moon, anybody should be able to tell if it's true or not, doesn't he?

Visionary · 09-20-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paleene

On EA from Friday:

"The Green Movement is highlighting the possibility that marjas, the highest-ranking senior clerics, will not declare that Ramadan has ended Sunday and can be celebrated with the feast of Eid al-Fitr. In particular, it is noted that the websites of Ayatollah Montazeri and of Ayatollah Sane’i have not yet declared that the Holy Month is over....

Lol, this is pretty interesting.
So for those of you who can explain...what's the deal?
Seems like a nice little argument to me.

Twister · 09-20-2009

Quote:

0630 GMT:
...
Instead, as we noted as the end of last night, the biggest ripple was a dispute, full of symbolism, over whether Ramadan ended with the appearance of the crescent of the moon last night. Senior clerics, countering the Supreme Leader, said no. The national holiday has still been declared of course, and Eid al-Fitr will still be celebrated by many, but it will be interesting to see if the senior clerics’ claim resonates with Iranian people.

From EA (quote)

I was wondering about this earlier and that last post cleared it up for me, I *think* what they mean is ppl aren't going to celebrate the holiday as a form of protest in not recognizing the 'authority' of the SL and other senior clerics?

Just a guess... waiting for those who know to weigh in. But indeed, interesting.

Paleene · 09-20-2009

Found some interesting explanations from Pedestrian here:

Pedestrian � Blog Archive � The Case of the Missing Moon

TruePersian · 09-20-2009

Very interesting post. Thank you

Visionary · 09-20-2009

I just saw this:

Muslims around the world bid goodbye to fast, usher in Eid – The CNN Wire - CNN.com Blogs

Quote:

Posted: 06:23 AM ET

By Saeed Ahmed
CNN

(CNN) — Muslims around the world woke up Sunday and welcomed the end of a long month of fasting with hearty greetings of ‘Eid Mubarak,’ or happy festivities.

The faithful were ushering in Eid al-Fitr — three days of celebrations that Muslims mark with joyous community prayers, acts of charity, visits from far-flung relatives, gift-giving and elaborate feasts.

“Think Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year’s — all rolled into one. It’s that huge for us,” said Sajjad Aziz of Hoboken, New Jersey.

Islam follows a lunar calendar, and the timing of Eid al-Fitr varies around the world depending on when the crescent of a new moon is sighted.

So, while most countries — including the United States — observed Eid on Sunday, some will begin their celebrations on Monday.

The night before Eid, entire communities gather on rooftops, scanning the sky with giddy anticipation.

“It only needs one sighting of the moon in the whole country, and the whole nation erupts in cheers,” said Qazi Arif, 35, of Sirajgong, Bangladesh. “It’s a divine feeling, hard to describe.”

Eid al-Fitr bids goodbye to Ramadan — a month of dawn-to-dusk abstinence from food, drinks and other sensual pleasures. Muslims believe the Quran, the religion’s holy book, was revealed to Prophet Muhammad during Ramadan more than 1,400 years ago.

The Eid is one of two major holidays in Islam, alongside another called Eid al-Adha. The latter commemorates the prophet Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son, Isaac, for God.

On the morning of Eid, Muslims don new clothes and head to prayers that are often held in open fields to accommodate crowds too big to contain in mosques.

Those who can afford it donate a small percentage of their possession or its equivalent to the poor and needy so they too can avail themselves for the celebrations. Feasts await at every house....

Quote:

The day wasn’t one of universal comity, however.

In Yemen, the government and rebels accused each other Saturday of breaking a cease-fire they both asked for to commemorate Eid.

And Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei used his Eid sermon to launch another volley at the country’s arch-rival Israel and at Western powers.

“We’re not quite there, I’ll will admit,” said Mehreen Ali of Boston, Massachusetts. “But have you seen an Eid prayer? Rows and rows of Muslims all prostrating together in unison. It’s a feeling of such unity and brotherhood. You have to believe that with that spirit present, anything is possible.

Visionary · 09-22-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDoe

An amazing short video from Eid-ul-Fitr. Posted by AsdollahMirza on twitter

If actions speak louder than words, then Rafsanjani was shouting!

YouTube - Hashemi & A.N - EEde Fetr - 1388

Did he just give Ahmadi the cold shoulder? lol

I saw this video up on youtube and wasn't sure if it was something new or not.
Glad to see it's up here already.

09-20-2009	#1 (permalink)
Paleene Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 276	Ramadan not over yet? On EA from Friday: "The Green Movement is highlighting the possibility that marjas, the highest-ranking senior clerics, will not declare that Ramadan has ended Sunday and can be celebrated with the feast of Eid al-Fitr. In particular, it is noted that the websites of Ayatollah Montazeri and of Ayatollah Sane’i have not yet declared that the Holy Month is over. Ayatollahs Mousavi-Ardebili, Safi-Golpaygani, and Bayat-Zanjani are also declaring that they have not seen the crescent of the moon. And now Hojatoleslam Taghdiri, the head of the crescent observation committee of Tehran Province, has said that there is no way that the crescent can be observed tonight, permitting Eid al-Fitr to proceed tomorrow. The statements are significant because they defy the declaration of the Supreme Leader that Sunday is the end of Ramadan holiday." continues here:http://enduringamerica.com/2009/09/1...er/#more-17654 Obviously, I am not used to the customs of the Islam (which made me wondering about the "crescent observation committee" to start with). Well, as fare as I am concerned, I believe to observe the crescent of the moon can be done by any ordinary people. So if Ramadan is declared to not have ended yet because of the moon, anybody should be able to tell if it's true or not, doesn't he?

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Ramadan not over yet?

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