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Old 06-17-2009   #11 (permalink)
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If you must resort to violence, do not kill those that attack you, doing so will only give the propaganda departments more fodder.

If anything, injure them, strip the weapons and body armor off of them if they have any, then pull them out of the way and have someone make sure they don't die.

If you're aiming to kill, kill the Ayatollah, Mullahs, and Ahmadinejad as they are the true evil behind this.
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If you don't injure those who oppress you, this makes you a victim, and the world government will be much more sympathetic towards you all.
If one person kills one police officer, the entire riot will be condemned, worldwide.
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I don't think the Iranians should be left defenseless. In the eventual event of imminent danger for the current Ayatolla and/or Ahmadinejad, the government will use (deadly) force against the protestors, or else the basij or another militia will use that force against the protestors.

The basij/pro-status quo militias seem more deadly and unstable than the protestors; it only makes sense for the protestors to be able to improvise methods of portable self defense.

Of course, I'm not Iranian, so they ought to decide for themselves.
 
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I'm the same guy writing at 6:06 for self defense, just wanted to add that it only seems inevitable that the current government will eventually begin to actively and widely apply deadly force to quell the protests. The protesters in that case should be capable of resisting.
 
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I'm the same guy writing at 6:06 for self defense, just wanted to add that it only seems inevitable that the current government will eventually begin to actively and widely apply deadly force to quell the protests. The protesters in that case should be capable of resisting.
Yes, but only AFTER. If the government acts first, it makes the protestors the victims. If the protestors act first, then they are terrorists.
I personally don't believe that, but that's just how it will happen.
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Old 06-17-2009   #15 (permalink)
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they already killed 20+ ppl. let em have it. its a fucking revolution not a tea party.
 
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Old 06-17-2009   #16 (permalink)
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Different tactics needed for a revolution. The time to act is now while there is still fresh blood on the ground.
 
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Old 06-17-2009   #17 (permalink)
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You can slow people on motorcycles by scattering ball bearings, marbles, or rough gravel on the road. Lots of ball bearings and marbles can also slow down marching police or troops.

Cut the handle off a frying pan. Lay the pan upside down in the street. It looks like an IED/mine, and might slow Basiji down as they inspect it.

Surgical tubing (Or any heavy elastic) and ball bearings make a good slingshot.
I don't recommend ball bearings, marbles or other such things. Remember, people are also walking on the street. If people get injured, evacuating them could be hindered by a street full of ball bearings.

A better bet: bring sheets, blankets or netting. Fling them over people with weapons, or hold them up. This will obstruct their vision, making it harder to target people, it will entangle their limbs, making it harder for them to use the full range of motion to develop full hitting power (and it will certainly inhibit their ability to use firearms), and it can tangle and stop the bikes. These will at the least keep people harmlessly occupied while others escape and/or form other barriers. The sheets and netting are even more effective if wet; if you've ever tried to get out of wet clothing, you know what I mean. Douse sheeted attackers with water; this will also spoil their guns and make their batons more slippery to hold. Don't be cruel here; don't use very hot water. You don't want to burn or hurt people, you just want to quickly stop attacks. A burned, armed person is not a problem you need to deal with.

Speaking of which, if you have access to fire trucks, use them against the bikes and soldiers. You can use them to block their passage, and to spray them with water.

Park cars in a staggered chevron pattern in the streets (45 degree angles, perhaps like a zipper, or fish bones). This pattern will allow people on foot to run easily past them, but will significantly slow down bikes; they'll have to serpentine through them, while people can run in straight lines. If car doors are left unlocked, the people closest to the bikes can open the doors as they pass, further impeding the bikes. I know cars are expensive for many, but if they're parked on the street during a violent demonstration, they're going to get damaged anyway. Better to sacrifice them to save people; they're easier to replace than a loved one.

My heart goes out to the Iranian people. May you all make it safely through this, and have the government, the leader and the freedom you want once it's over. Good luck!
 
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This seems counterproductive. The more peaceful the protests, the better.
I agree, but I have heard that the crowd pulled police off their motorbike and set it on fire, they are very angry, with so many people and the shootings of protesters I doubt they will be completely peaceful
 
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Please join this people at twitter and give them a hand on how to go on with the revolution. Post your ideas and support the Iranian revolution now

http://twitter.com/twitrevolution

We are trying to form groups of people to block streets in Teheran. Help us to get connected with other people and form other small groups.

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