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ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

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  1. TinyDancer Member

    ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    On tonight's Lateline (in about half an hour from now).


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNLRS9Ap1s[/ame]

    DIGG: Scientology Investigated For Underpaying Workers

    Article: Scientology investigated for underpaying workers - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Response: Revised statement from the Church of Scientology - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


    Dox for any lurking reporters:


    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/scientology-employment-policy-letters-50307/

    ( direct link: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service )

    ==============================

    Research links for any lurking reporters:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/249-goldbase/sea-org-legally-binding-employment-contract-42348/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...-org-members-w-2-pay-statement-amounts-39100/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/299-...e-sea-org-staff-were-paid-minimum-wage-53991/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...riest-wages-vs-scientology-staff-wages-48577/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/299-...onal/scientology-staff-employees-wages-40717/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/why-do-sea-org-staff-receive-w-2-forms-42350/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/smi-staff-pay-2000-2001-a-38947/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...-wage-requirements-they-apply-churches-63949/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...zed-religious-workers-uk-border-agency-52752/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...tralian-religious-worker-visa-overview-47595/
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  2. Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    It's times like this that make me wish I had tv.. :/
    I'll have to wait for it on youtube.. hope its good
  3. RightOn Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    oh cool! Thanks Tiny
  4. TinyDancer Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Scientology investigated for underpaying workers - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


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  5. TinyDancer Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Revised statement from the Church of Scientology - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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  6. Anonymous Member

  7. AnonLover Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    hot dam - yet another morning to wake up to a shitton of aussie WIN!
  8. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    They should pull out all these policies that have to do with staff employment to prove that these are not "volunteers", if they haven't already.
    Scientology Employment Policy Letters | Scribd
  9. anonhuff Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    In the United States there are three factors taken into account to determine if someone is an employee or not
    from Independent Contractor (Self-Employed) or Employee?

    How does australia determine if someone is an employee or a volunteer?
  10. Zak McKracken Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    So,
    when are they going to investigate Pharma for underpaying their paid staff of Scientology protesters? Some of us have been waiting months for a paycheck.

    I hear some people still haven't received their drugs allotment for 2010 yet.

    WTF is the deal here
    And why won't they investigate?
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  11. WagTheWog Member

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    Win!
    Go Aussies!

  12. BigBeard Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Cof$ just doesn't get it.

    If you can't leave when you want to, you ain't no volunteer!

    Prisoner maybe, slave maybe, volunteer - not.

    BigBeard
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  13. thefatman Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    AFAIK the law on volunteers varies from state to state (based from a quick austlii search) as of yet I can't quite find anything related to volunteers except ones to do with the emergency services.

    ---EDIT---

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2916680.htm <-- video is up

    ---/EDIT---
  14. thefatman Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Hell yeah! Cyrus I want my motherfucking $20 for each protest.
  15. RightOn Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    payments have not been late for those of us who are upstat
    perhaps you are in need of a sec check?
  16. TinyDancer Member

    It's time we picketed the bastards! :D

    Help! Who can extract this video for transfer to youtube - or give me a direct link?
  17. Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    LOL... volunteers, huh... then why the fuck does it say Employment on their applications, lol.
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    Didn't see any of that on the VOLUNTEER ministers contracts...
  18. Xolo Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    How can $ci say her allegations are unfounded and false? wont there be records when, where and how she claimed welfare.
  19. TinyDancer Member

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  20. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Did a diff between the two statements, and in the revised statement, the following was added:

  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Incidentally, I stumbled upon an old piece of news last May 31st, quoting a policy by Hubbard to take advantage of Government welfare by staff members:

    Remember, as per Church of Scientology, Hubbard's policy letters are "Scriptures."
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  22. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    If "financial motivation" is not at play here, why are staff members paid commissions by the Church of Scientology on whatever they sell?
  23. PodPeople Member

  24. Bipolart Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Thanks for the post TD. Much appreciated.
  25. AnonyVix Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Sure they may have signed a document saying they were volunteers but the obvious question the ombudsman must be asking is were they treated like volunteers or more like employees?

    Volunteers cannot be required to keep a work schedule, 9 - 5 for instance, they can come and go as they please.

    Volunteers do not need permission to take vacations.

    Volunteers do not have to adhere to extraneous codes of conduct such as required staff reading, saluting etc.

    Volunteers are only compensated for their out of pocket expenses.

    Volunteers are never referred to as employees.

    Any evidence contrary to the above should be enough to class them as employees from a practical point of view regardless of the mumbo jumbo they might have signed in their misguided youth because you cannot volunteer for an agency that is employing you no matter how the contract is worded.

    The ombudsman needs to be pretty shrewd though not to get confused by the legal smoke screen the scilons will fire at him though.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    SWEET!
  27. xenubarb Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Hentlemen,

    As we know, the Scientologists are (gasp) lying their siphons off about staff work being &quot;volunteer work.&quot; As we also know, the help wanted scam is global. It might be useful to have a bunch of pix from all over the world showing their &quot;help wanted&quot; signs that appear to offer EMPLOYMENT, not volunteer positions. Perhaps Latenight could use them in a followup programme to demonstrate how the cult misleads passersby into applying for &quot;jobs&quot; that don't exist.
    I'll start:

    helpwanted.jpg
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  28. OTBT Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Dox for any lurking reporters:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/scientology-employment-policy-letters-50307/

    ( direct link: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service )

    ==============================

    Research links for any lurking reporters:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/249-goldbase/sea-org-legally-binding-employment-contract-42348/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...-org-members-w-2-pay-statement-amounts-39100/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/299-...e-sea-org-staff-were-paid-minimum-wage-53991/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...riest-wages-vs-scientology-staff-wages-48577/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/299-...onal/scientology-staff-employees-wages-40717/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/why-do-sea-org-staff-receive-w-2-forms-42350/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/smi-staff-pay-2000-2001-a-38947/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...-wage-requirements-they-apply-churches-63949/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...zed-religious-workers-uk-border-agency-52752/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...tralian-religious-worker-visa-overview-47595/
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  29. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    They just deny that it was "widespread". Though they should explain then imho how it comes that some staff members weren't paid a living wage, while all others according to them were.
  30. Anonymous Member

  31. RightOn Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    great report.
    I would be interested to know how many "volunteers" in the US ended up on government assistance of some sort. Wether it be Food Stamps in the past, welfare, ect....

    here is a quote from a forum talking about Food Stamps:

    "We were riding in a car one fine spring day, probably going to sign up for food stamps, with Sheryl Lowe (later Sheryl Licciardi) and her son Bobby in the front seat and Jeff, Gyme De Angelo, my brother and I in the back seat, I forget who was driving."
    FCDC circa 1970 [Archive] - Page 2 - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    It should be exposed on how much COS's members were on some sort of government assistance and how much COS has cost tax payers in the over the years, and presently.
    Not to mention health care.

    Between tax exemption, food stamps in the past, and welfare, it must add up to a whole butt load.
    Time to let everyone know and piss the US tax payers off!

    Problem is proving how many COS staff were on assistance.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    I believe Plymouth UK org has a &quot;STAFF WANTED&quot; sign in its window all the time. Can't find a picture though. :-(
  33. Crappy Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    GOD I hate how that reporter narrates. My ears are bleeding!
  34. Cheappassion Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Only 21 Diggs?????
    C'mon people!
  35. xenubarb Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    Also, if anyone has copies of their "help wanted" ads the cult puts up in the Pennysaver and Craigslist it would be useful.
  36. RightOn Member

  37. OTBT Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...s-academy-channel-islands-camarillo-ca-65510/

    Code:
    http://www.therazzline.net/classifieds/results.php?keyword=scientology&category_id=&country_id=&country_id=1&state_id=&region_id=&searchby=location
  38. RightOn Member

  39. RightOn Member

    Re: ABC's Lateline - Fair Work Ombudsman inquiry

    good link talking about COS hiring
    Careers in Scientology [Archive] - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    and here too:
    Careers in Scientology [Archive] - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    great sign spotted :
    Careers in Scientology - LA Observed

    Perth Australia sign (scroll down)
    Scientology orgs in Australia: Perth

    Sydney Org sign:
    hiring at the church of scientology...i should've applied there! pictures from oceania photos on webshots


    another pic, not sure which Org (scroll down)
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=425311

    post # 36
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=18339&page=4

    Undercover at the Church of Scientology

    "The COS in Lakeview is on Lincoln near Wellington and Southport. It has the customary blue Scientology awning, but also has a window display facing the street that features pumpkins, Thanksgiving decorations and other 'normal' stuff. A sign near the entrance says "Help Wanted; Now Hiring."
    http://media.www.chibus.com/media/s...ver.At.The.Church.Of.Scientology-819941.shtml
  40. xenubarb Member

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