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Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

Discussion in 'GoldBase' started by ChronicEnturbulator, Aug 14, 2009.

  1. Major Boyle Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Nobody's asking the imporant question, namely how DID the cult get permission to dig the tunnels? It's public land and STATE owned land at that. So did they go to Caltrans and get permission? If not, maybe somebody can contact Caltrans and report the illegal tunnels constructed with slave labour. Is there a labour relations board in California?
  2. fitch2000 Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    I am not having much luck, but I found this on Jeff Hawkins blog.

    Counterfeit Dreams: Chapter Twelve: Over the Rainbow

    "The expansion plans for the Base were massive. One of my earliest "Renos" jobs was working as part of a team to make a scale model of what the Base was going to look like when finished. We worked from topographical maps and architectural blueprints for accuracy, and ended up with a model about four by six feet. It looked amazing – there were to be buildings for Gold, RTC and CMO International, a big manor house for LRH (for his return!), a film lab, four apartment buildings for staff, access tunnels under the road, and a huge sound stage shaped like a Scottish castle!"
  3. Obi-Wan-anon Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    There HAS to be some ex-sci's that know exactly who was responsible for building the tunnels, and when they were started.
  4. Smurf Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Ancient news is old news. The laws & state statutes were alot different in the late 70s & early 80s than they are today.

    Do you really think that Caltrans gives a rat's ass about something that was built 3 decades ago? Get real.
  5. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    In most counties, you can go to the city or county office (usually called Building & Planning, Building & Safety, etc.) where the Subject property is located and ask for a copy of ALL PERMITS issued for that property since a certain date.

    You can also ask for a copy of ALL PERMITS ever issued for the Subject property.

    Usually, you can also pick and choose which copies of permits you want. (e.g. only permits for tunnels)


    There is usually a fee per copy. ($.50/copy-$1.00/copy estimated)


    I used to do this for different properties in my business.


    Just call ahead to find out the name and address of the appropriate office and their per copy fee.
  6. Obi-Wan-anon Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    They got permission the same way they got 884 passed - money into the proper hands.

    3 decades ago, Caltrans might not have been responsible for issuing permits for that section.

    But when these tunnels go under a heavily traveled STATE road, seems to me they would have checked on them SOMETIME in the past 3 decades. They check on bridges that are 3 decades old.
  7. Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    A small head's up (another knot in the tangled web, if you will), Supervisor John Tavaglione's big brother Joe is a member of the California Transportation Commission.

    California Transportation Commission (CTC): Commissioners

    Worse yet, Jeff Stone is the Commissioner of the Riverside County Transportation Commission

    Check his bio here.

    Check out the RCTC commission here.

    And check out item #6 of the Measure A program here.

    Of Interest: www.sr79project.info/pdf/fssr_appendix_B2.pdf
  8. Major Boyle Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    If the three decade old construction is illegal, then you bet your ass they give a shit. Also, does the tunnel meet code specs? Has it ever been inspected to make sure it's up to code?

    Bureaucrats DO care about protecting their power.
  9. TomVorm Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    My source indicates there is a long list of past building permits associated with the addresses of "19625" and "19750" on "Highway 79", with the actual building plans kept in archives for the Building Department of Riverside County.

    Plans retrieved from archives might lead to identification of additional plans, because construction designers frequently note numbers for other existing or planned structures located on the same site (when they are noted on the same blueprints).

    Plans that would seem to be closest to any tunnels under the highway, would include reference numbers 401521 or 789398 or 218401 for the "Perimeter Wall" at 19625 Highway 79, and reference numbers 278064 or 591203 or 219657 for "TI-Perimeter Fence" at "19625 Highway 79".

    This assumes the tunnels were actually constructed by the church. Is it possible, they existed on the site before 1978?
  10. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Lurk moar.
  11. Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Good. Good. That's a nice starting point. Now, we need permits.
  12. Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    I don't normally do this, but here is the latest transmission from AO.

    This is good information. Please do not shoot the messenger.
  13. i'mglib Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    At least they are going to discuss a resolution against the closing of Hwy 79, which is good.

    I wonder if Scientologists will be there.
  14. Smurf Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    I guarantee you Catherine will be there.
  15. ZeLyt Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    This has probably been thought of already, but my suggestion is for those of you who live in the area, don't just poon the street department, advisory board, etc. Poon people you know that use that road regularly, and have them express how they'd feel about it to the proper authorities. you guys aren't the only one this impacts.
  16. RightOn Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Anyone name fagged can maybe write a letter to the editor of the local paper?
  17. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    How about those locals? Lirra and the other one.
  18. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    I posted this in the wrong thread:

    REMOVE GILMAN SPRINGS RD BET CAL79 & SOBOBA RD FRO

    PLANNING CASE INFORMATION FOR GPA01091
    Online Services
    Results for GPA01091 as of 12/31/2009 9:56:13 PM

    Basic Case Information
    CASE NUMBER: GPA01091
    CASE STATUS: APPLIED
    APPLIED DATE: 11/24/2009
    DECISION DATE:
    EXPIRATION DATE:
    GENERAL LOCATION: E/SR79, W/SOBOBA RD, S/O NORTH MT, N/O SAN JACINTO CITY LMTS
    DESCRIPTION REMOVE GILMAN SPRINGS RD BET CAL79 & SOBOBA RD FRO
    APPLICANT: BUILDING MANAGEMENT SERVICES
    ADDRESS 1: 19625 HIGHWAY 79
    ADDRESS 2: GILMAN HOT SPRINGS CA
    ADDRESS 3:
    ZIP: 92583
    Fee Information
    TOTAL FEES $8,578.20
    TOTAL PAYMENTS: $7,702.85
    BALANCE DUE: $875.35
    Case Planner Information
    Project Planner: JUAREZ RAY
  19. Obi-Wan-anon Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    BUILDING MANAGEMENT SERVICES? Who the heck are they? Just another front for the cult?
  20. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    The address on the code enforcement complaint (Gold Base Grading) in the other recent thread is 19750 Gilman Hot Springs, and the address for BUILDING MANAGEMENT SERVICES is listed as 19625 HWY 79 Gilman Hot Springs.

    Location sure seems close via addresses.
  21. WTF Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Avatar for "Int Landlord"?
  22. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    499stuntgonebad.jpg
    Davey?








    Call yer mom boy.
  23. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Building Management Services is the Scientology Corporation that owns all the properties.
  24. _You_ Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Its not one property?
  25. Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Nice, thanks for your input,

    I surrrree Likey that, but I dunno

    I have a poem now :-}

    When the buildings are owned
    who shall now be pwoned
    Who get the blame
    when the buildings are over mortgaged
    Perhaps the scilons just call for more donations
  26. DeathHamster Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    In Gilman:
    From Mysterious Property Buyer to Community Presence December 18, 2005, Claire Hoffman, Los Angeles Times
    And LA:
    Debunking a movement / Scientollywood August 5, 2005, Carl Kozlowski, Pasadena Weekly
    Ah, the HGB.
  27. _You_ Member

  28. RightOn Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Scientology.... what a tangled web they weave.

    one big tangled web of deception
  29. TomVorm Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    This can be an issue for discussion before the County Board of Supervisors,
    as well as the County Planning Commission (a separate agency) during their public comment portion of their meetings.

    It's important that any address of this topic refer to the legal title of this application "Planning Case GPA01091" (referring to "General Plan Amendment 01091")
    Agendas for Planning Commission meetings are posted on their website, although items they wish to slip through can be changed to the "consent calendar". (Riverside County Transportation & Land Management Agency)

    Administratively, this proposal must first be vetted by the staff for the County Planner. This provides opportunities to inform the Planners, by forwarding relevant documents, including notices (such as the Press-Enterprise news article) that followed the vote of September 3, 2009 by the San Jacinto City Council to oppose the closure of that road.

    ANYONE else potentially affected by closure of Gilman Hot Springs Road (like area residents, area businesses such as the college or casino, or just travelers through this area) can be notified, provided the case number and contact information for the planner, and be asked to forward a written letter of their opposition to this proposal. (Because cult agents do skim files like this and remove critical documents, those same writers should ask the planner to confirm receipt of their letter, and should also keep an extra copy and be prepared to re-submit it as this proposal advances through the system).

    The planner is listed as Ray Juarez. An online search found contact information for him at ph (951) 955-2419 or rjuarez@rctlma.org

    Additional documents may be obtained through a request for viewing (and the ability to make copies) from this file. It would be very informative to get copies of letters were submitted by Gold Base officials or residents, because any claimed facts within their arguments could then be researched and effectively opposed well in advance of any scheduled hearing.
  30. xenubarb Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Here's a map of the proposed road closure:

    GilmanSpringsRdRoadClosure001.jpg

    Progress report from AO:

  31. TomVorm Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Comments reposted from another thread, may be applicable here:

  32. Anonymous Member

  33. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: Gilman Springs Road closure "for issues of safety."

    Not easy to follow with parallel threads.

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