Scientology insider details 'nightmare' childhood

chrisanon · Mar 12, 2010

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grebe;1194026 said:

I stand corrected.

I must remember that these policy dispatches are pompously bureaucratic.

They certainly are. Any time a word appears as the 8th definition in the OED, and the latest usage example dates from 1880... well, it's an obscure plural, to say the least. I've only ever seen the word "advices" in pre-1920 texts or very high-level diplomatic memos. And Sci bullshit nonsense crap.

Hubbard's vocabulary choices and sentence construction say a lot about what he aspired to be. A 19th century Oxford-educated diplomat and naval officer, from the look of things.

Anonymous · Mar 12, 2010

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I truly feel that the straw that will break this hideous crime-syndicate's back is the full force of Angry Mothers.

There is no other group as tenacious. They know how to organize; they know how to make something amazing out of nothing; they know how to maximize every resource. They are smart, they network, and they all know somebody who knows the right somebody for the job. They make a lot of noise. They show up, and keep showing up, babies in tow. And nothing makes them angrier than exploited, abused and enslaved children.

Add the expertise and enthusiasm of a group like Anonymous--I would not want to cross a group of MomAnons. Ever.

Anonymous · Mar 12, 2010

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This is true. Child protection people, parents' groups.

hotdog57 · Mar 12, 2010

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PodPeople;1193933 said:

So is there dox on what age the Sea Org defines the dividing line between children and adults? 13, 14, wot? As long as they get some kind of guardianship papers signed by parents? Is there dox on how young SO is reaping?

Not 100 percent sure the exact age for RPF,
The only way that I know how to tell if they are RPF is you are told not to speak to them..
And a lot of those kids wear rags,
The ones I saw were young some 10 years old and less..
You have to keep your stuff locked up or it will show up missing.
Also
it,s real easy to get the RPF,s mixed up with the EPF,s.

hotdog57 · Mar 12, 2010

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This might sound stupid,
But when you are in the cult you are like in a daze your self half the time from being over worked,
and you just do not think you are going to run into any thing Bad.
I left the SO as a kid and came back for a short time in the late 70,s.
I wanted to be like my dad , And after 20 years of being raised in the cult or around it they turned me into a hard core Sci up intill the year 1982..

scaryanonymous · Mar 13, 2010

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Anonymous;1194048 said:

I truly feel that the straw that will break this hideous crime-syndicate's back is the full force of Angry Mothers.

There is no other group as tenacious. They know how to organize; they know how to make something amazing out of nothing; they know how to maximize every resource. They are smart, they network, and they all know somebody who knows the right somebody for the job. They make a lot of noise. They show up, and keep showing up, babies in tow. And nothing makes them angrier than exploited, abused and enslaved children.

Add the expertise and enthusiasm of a group like Anonymous--I would not want to cross a group of MomAnons. Ever.

This is what a bunch of ANGRY MOTHERS can do!

Ogsonofgroo · Mar 13, 2010

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sci and tell;1194000 said:

This is the FIRST you heard? Didn't Jenna Miscavige Hill or one of the other well-known recently-out scientologists do the children's RPF?

Here's an article:
Robert Vaughn Young: "Hubbard's Gulags: RPF's RPF"

And more>

Evidence of disturbing neglect of Scientology children?

PAC MEMO: Kids on RPF - alt.religion.scientology | Google Groups

Insanity, just fucking insanity, and there is little doubt it has continued to this day.

Just one of the many reasons 'WHY'.

Lorelei · Mar 13, 2010

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DOX and links should be forwarded on to Xenophon, etc. Can only help him.

JohnnyRUClear · Mar 13, 2010

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chrisanon;1194035 said:

They certainly are. Any time a word appears as the 8th definition in the OED, and the lastest usage example dates from 1880... well, it's an obscure plural, to say the least. I've only ever seen the word "advices" in pre-1920 texts or very high-level diplomatic memos. And Sci bullshit nonsense crap.

Hubbard's vocabulary choices and sentence construction say a lot about what he aspired to be. A 19th century Oxford-educated diplomat and naval officer, from the look of things.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with that, in itself, but you know that old saying "cheaters never prosper"? Whoever made that up never met elRong.

chrisanon · Mar 14, 2010

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JohnnyRUClear;1194998 said:

Agreed. Nothing wrong with that, in itself, but you know that old saying "cheaters never prosper"? Whoever made that up never met elRong.

That's for sure. I bet when we finally find out how much money Sci has raised over the years, we'll faint.

Anonymous · Oct 12, 2013

OTBT said: ↑

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He says children have not been allowed to join the Sea Org for more than 20 years, however the ABC's Four Corners investigation found members have been recruited and separated from their families from the age of 14 since then.

Cyrus Brooks is lying. Here is documented proof of children joining the Sea Org less than 20 years ago.

US Government documents:

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/040816_AUG162004_02C1101.pdf

Rev. Carnahan, in the above letter, does not offer any details about the
beneficiary's job title, duties, or work hours (although he repeatedly adds the
title "Reverend" to the beneficiary's name). He does, however, offer
more information in a sworn affidavit:

[The beneficiary] . . . has been a staff member of the [petitioning church] since
March 2000.
. . .
In 1993, [the beneficiary] joined the fraternity of the [Sea Org] and began
working full time for the Church in Canada. He took on a position as the
Community Relations Director responsible for creating a favorable public
relations atmosphere in the neighborhoods surrounding the Church premises.

We interject, here, the observation that the beneficiary was ten years old in
1993. [Redacted] does not offer any details about the duties of the Community
Relations Director, the credentials required for the such a position would be
consistent with the educational schedule of a ten-year-old child.

...

Regarding the beneficiary's age, [Redacted] states that the beneficiary "wanted
to join staff from the time he was seven years old and signed a contract on April
16, 1989 in order to do that." April 16, 1989, was the day after the beneficiary's
sixth birthday. Therefore, his motivation for signing the billion-year [Sea Org]
contract of Employment" (Contract) cannot be that he "wanted to join staff from
the time he was seven years old." [Redacted] states that, despite having
signed the Contract, the beneficiary "was unable to join the Sea Org until he
was ten due to legal restrictions."

...

The petitioner has submitted documentation showing that it allows children
of kindergarten age to sign a billion-year Contract with the Sea Org; we are
not obliged to ignore this information merely because the beneficiary signed his
Contract more than two years before the filing date. Whether the beneficiary
had been a member for a week or for fifty years, the circumstances under which
he first signed the Contract are relevant when considering the nature of the
organization. The two-year requirement does not, in any way, restrict
reasonable inquiry into the underlying nature of the organization.

Counsel maintains that the beneficiary's joining the Sea Org at such a young
age "is excellent evidence of the calling to religious life contemplated by 8
C.F.R. § 204.5(m)(2)." This argument would be persuasive only if six-year-old
children routinely made reliable predictions about their ultimate careers. There
is no evidence that very young children (who are especially impressionable,
particularly when a parent is a church official) sign the Sea Org Contract under
different circumstances than adults, who have given mature reflection to the
nature of a permanent commitment.

=====================================

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/040802_AUG022004_02C1101.pdf

The beneficiary, born in 1978, was only fifteen years old when she
signed a "Contract of Employment" (Contract) with the Sea Org in 1993.

The Contract reads, in its entirety:

I, ______________________DO HEREBY AGREE to enter into employment with
the SEA ORGANIZATION and, being of sound mind, do fully realize and agree to
abide by its purpose which is to get ETHICS IN this PLANET AND UNIVERSE and,
fully and without reservation, subscribe to the discipline, mores and conditions
of this group and pledge to abide by them.

THEREFORE, I CONTRACT MYSELF TO THE [DELETED] FOR THE NEXT BILLION
YEARS.
(As per Flag Order 232)

=====================================

This US Government document is from 2005:

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/050301_MAR012005_03C1101.pdf

In SRC [redacted] the alien signed the contract at the age of fifteen, and
the petitioner submitted a publication entitled "The [Sea Org]: The Religious
Order of the Church of Scientology," which states: "There is no age limit for
joining the [Sea Org] . . . But there are restrictions for signing a declaration or
contract with the local churches. If a person is under the legal age limit of the
country he must get full parental agreement and meet any employment laws of
the land."

=====================================

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/050930_SEP302005_01B6203.pdf

We note that the beneficiary was fifteen years old when she joined
the Sea Org in 1994. By the date of filing in 1999, however, the beneficiary
was twenty years old, an age that does not raise concerns about compliance
with federal, state, and local laws governing child labor (such as the Fair Labor
Standards Act). Such questions would likely arise in instances where the
beneficiary is, as of the filing date, too young to work legally.

=====================================

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/051123_NOV232005_06C1101.pdf

The record contains copies of several certificates, including a "Sea
Organization Contract of Employment," which reads, in part, "I contract myself
to the Sea Organization for the next billion years," signed by the beneficiary
and dated December 15, 1996, when the beneficiary was thirteen years of
age. The beneficiary's "Welcome to the Sea Org" certificate is dated August 9,
1997. Another certificate, "Basic Sea Org Member Hat," is dated November 18,
1997.

=====================================

http://www.exposescientology.com/visadox/060330_Mar302006_02C1101.pdf

In a supplement to the appeal, the petitioner submits copies of various
church documents. One document, dated February 23, 1994, indicates that the
beneficiary passed the Fitness Board. Another document, dated August 2,
1998, reaffirms this finding of fitness. This indicates that the beneficiary was a
full member of the Sea Org for more than nine years prior to the petition's March
2003 filing date.

The beneficiary was ten years old when he became a full Sea Org member.

bumping dox, for Laura DeCrescenzo forced-abortion lawsuit

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