SENATE SAYS YES TO XENOPHON INQUIRY

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Fuck this shit.

You know who you are:

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I think you may have nailed it on the head. The Public Harm/Public Benefit is what needs to be shown and Exposed.

And we ALL know there is a lot of harm.

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Well, it will go to senate committee, where there'll be public submissions...and they'll make sure the rules don't create "false positives" (i.e. legitimate charities being excluded)...issues of how to measure public benefit will probably be examined - Like developing a criteria and the types of evidence an organization has to show to continue getting not-for-profit status.

But assuming a bill is passed, the body who will enforce it will be the ATO (Australian Tax Office). The one thing I'm unsure about is who exactly will be assessing whether entities meet the criteria for tax-exemption or not. Could be a department in the ATO, in which case the funding would be part of their internal budgeting...and quite possibly the onus could be on applicant to prove they're entitled, rather than the ATO doing the majority of the legwork.

Contentious/suspicious claims would probably then go in the "we need to independently verify this" basket (much smaller group than assessing everyone).

For Scientology, the "public benefit test" may not be enough in and of itself, however, if passed would give a legislative basis for challenging their tax-exemption (so that could either be a gov. department/ATO deciding that, or another parliamentary inquiry to see if they are in violation of the new rules, or possibly challenged through the courts).

But this is ALL speculation and based on my limited knowledge of these matters, so someone else may be able to provide better info. Anyway I imagine the ATO may give evidence at an inquiry about the administration side of things...and this'll be broadcast over the internet. I'll keep an eye/ear out for these issues.

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We have won another battle, but no part of the war. We must resonate the message like never before.

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Someone (with a better connection than my thin thread of wi-fi) find the scilon statment that Aus. was founded by criminals and is therefore full of supressives and poast that shit all over the Down Under.

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ALL HAIL TO XENOPHON the son of XENU

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This would also be good to hit on the local/state/federal levels in the U.S.

Put poons into your local papers, stating the particulars of the UK "public benefit/public harm test", how it's being considered in OZ, and how (while staying religion neutral), it would be a good idea in the states.

DO NOT tie it into Scientology - use the same "public trust" arguments that Senator Xenophon used.

If it's spread enough, the Sci's can be hit from a hundred different localities, at several different levels, all asking for the same "public benefit/public harm" test. Every time they try to state the good works of one of their charities, we can fire back with a "yes, but would this charity pass a 'public benefit/public harm' test?"

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WE GET PEOPLE OFF DRUGS!
narconon-exposed.org
stop-narconon.org

WE FIGHT ILLITERACY
studytech.org

Thank you, Dr. Dave Touretzky!

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Toasting some epic bread here.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance", but there's nothing wrong with a little celebratory dancing.

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Bravo Senator. I/we have the utmost respect for any Politician who knows the truth and takes a stand for ALL humanity. I hope some politicians in North America have the balls to do the same.

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Bumping epic thread

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Maybe we can ask them to remove the internet censorship thing while we're @ it...

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tl;dr COSRECI looses charity status but its "charitable" subsidiaries such as "NarCONon", will be unaffected, totally agree.

This is why there also needs to be tough auditing of the accounts of charities to ensure monies are spent and not simply being transferred to a related non charity entity in a tax haven.

Such practices as paying license fees (for "tech", use of trade marks etc.) should be outlawed if those fees make up more than a 0.5% portion of their off set expenses.

The costs of consumables should be looked at too, i.e. training materials. Those should be obtained from in country suppliers which are taxable.

Consultancy and administration expenses should also be looked at carefully too, though these naturally make up a lot of the expenses of charities anyway, more so the administration costs.

Basically if the charity recruiting fronts cannot be neutralised through education of the public and service commissioners then it should be such that it has to run a very tight ship financially to limit its ability to efficiently pass tax free funds back to the mother [STRIKE]ship[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]church[/STRIKE] cult.

These are tough times financially the world over and such measures are necessary to reign in the public purse strings.

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I like your line of thinking

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Well, Narconon is a

"PHILOSOPHIC COMMITMENT TO IMPROVEMENT OF THE SOCIETY"

and

"ALL GROUP STAFF MEMBERS INCLUDING
MYSELF ARE MEMBERS OF A BETTERMENT GROUP, THAT THEY SERVE
PURSUANT TO THEIR PHILOSOPHICAL OBLIGATIONS AND NOT IN
CONTEMPLATION OF RECEIVING ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER, AND IN
DOING SO THAT THEY ARE FORSAKING ALL COMMERCIAL AND FINANCIAL
MOTIVATION."

< cough, illegal bullshit, cough >

Narconon Dox, leaked a few weeks ago. 15 MB download.

Narconon Dox.pdf

Contents:

1. ABLE INT ED 286, Use & approval on ABLE trademarks on the internet, 9 Aug 99
2. Application & release to be a Narconon staff member
3. Narconon INT ED 1103, Narconon Center Allocation Form (2004)
4. Narconon INT, Definition sheet for Narconon stats cable, 12 Dec 95
5. Definition of telex abbreviations
6. NN Int ED 507, Narconon center ED weekly reports, 29 Mar 96
7. NN INT ED 505R, Narconon staff qualifications, 19 Apr 99
8. ABLE INT ED 437, Social betterment group licensee & staff qualifications, 12 Feb 03
9. NN INT ED 38, Narconon enrollment policy, 9 Nov 93

From the scan of the Narconon Staff Member Contract (Item 2 above):

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Quote:
Originally Posted by fisherman
The notes attached to this organization chart may be helpful:

COS Organization Chart with footnotes - Why We Protest Wiki

Just My Opinion, of course.....

Thank you very much for this. For nearly seven months, including my last few weeks at Narconon Trois Rivieres, I have been trying to paint myself a picture of what this organization is about; their objectives; and their methods of operations. I have spent counless hours and days, trying to figure out how I can put all of this in writing, so that the global population can understand it all, and see it for what it is? A difficult task indeed; thank goodness there are so many people speaking out and contributing to the Expose.

I just finished reading the 20,400 words from David Miscavige, dated October 15, 1999, in a Sworn Statement. He used many words, without adding to the meaning of the entire statement.

Quite notably, he uses the word "religious" over and over again and this is where their Power is established. Governments will not go near this defence unless there is a Hate Crime or something to do with Terrorism.

Australia is going about this the correct way. They are staying away from the "religious" aspect, and seeking to protect the public from ANY organization who has Charitable Status, but does not contribute to the betterment of ALL it's Citizens.

David Micavige denies, denies, denies, over and over again and points blame to the Secret Operations of the Gaudian Office; which he must do to protect Scientology as a whole. Many times, I have read similar cases where statements were made by other members, such as, "....you can't condemn the entire organization, for the mistakes or acts of a few....?" Well in my opinion, it's not just a few; it is many.

So now the GO has been renamed OSA, with no more Fair Gaming?

When the "Source", (Hubbard) declared, ".....make money, make more money, bring more people in to make more money, (paraphrased), it hardly seems to me that "make money" equates to helping people, (especially a Wog, as I was called), contribute to the society or Country they live in.

I my view, the "religous" word, is only a coat of armour to protect and fend off attacks from any source confronting them. I wonder who the next "fall guy" or group within the Group will be used as a "Scapegoat" for their withering Survival.

David Love

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Thanks...

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You are welcome I wonder how much the overlap is by Internetfreedom activists and Scientology Protestors

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The devil will be in the details. I really hope the Ausanons keep an eye on thinks so that the cult manages to trick the committee into watering the proposal down.

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"The Commissioners having considered the full legal and factual case put to them by CoS, and having reviewed the relevant law, taking into account the principles embodied in ECHR where appropriate, decided that CoS was not established for charitable purposes or for the public benefit and was therefore not registrable as a charity under section 3(2) of the Charities Act 1993.

In making that determination the Commissioners further concluded as follows:

1.That CoS is not charitable as an organisation established for the charitable purpose of the advancement of religion because, having regard to the relevant law and evidence, Scientology is not a religion for the purposes of English charity law.

a.The Commissioners considered that the legal authorities establishing the meaning of religion in charity law were ambiguous, but having construed such authorities in a way compatible with ECHR they concluded that the definition of religion was characterised by a belief in a supreme being and an expression of belief in that supreme being through worship. Re South Place Ethical Society [1980] 1 WLR1565, Dillon J at p. 1572 D-E.

b.The Commissioners decided that the concept of a supreme being was broader than the theistic concept of a personal creator god, but otherwise it would not be proper to specify the precise nature of that concept or require it to be analogous to the deity or supreme being of any particular religion. However the Commissioners did not find themselves compelled to reject the concept of theism altogether nor to accept the abstract concept of the notion of a supernatural thing or principle.

The Commissioners concluded that Scientology believed in a supreme being.

c.The Commissioners decided that the criterion of worship would be met where the belief in a supreme being found its expression in conduct indicative of reverence or veneration for the supreme being. R v Registrar General ex parte Segerdal [1970] 2QB, 697 Winn LJ at p. 709A. It was not possible to worship an ethical or philosophical ideal with reverence. Re South Place Ethical Society, Dillon J at p.1573A. Worship may manifest itself in particular activities which might include acts of submission, veneration, praise, thanksgiving, prayer or intercession. R v Registrar General ex parte Segerdal, Buckley LJ at p. 709 F-G. The Commissioners having considered the activities of auditing and training, which Scientology regards as its worship, concluded that auditing is more akin to therapy or counselling and training more akin to study and that both auditing and training are not in their essence exhibitions of reverence paid to a supreme being and such Scientology practices are not worship for the purposes of charity law. "


Cool.. very kwel!

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"The Commissioners concluded that Scientology believed in a supreme being"

FUCKING LIE not that it matters becous buddhism hasn't either

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9th dynamic,

Hubbards lawyers looked into it.

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are you pulling my leg ?

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Well its what is being used in all the court (see IRS judgement) cases so I think it is not me pulling the leg.

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sauce on that or qoute and ling ?

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Go and search yourself, its common knowledge. search 8th dynamic rather than 9th.

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Yes, and no, about Buddhism. It depends on the branch of Buddhism, and even in the versions that do not believe in a supreme being, they do express a reverence for Siddhartha Gautama that equates well with worship and seek enlightenment. This can be contrasted with the Church of Scientology, in which you see none of this.

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Damn those Buddhists for giving Scientology the But Buddhists defense!

Payback: If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him!

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Why the sudden about-face on the inquiry?

Because Ruddkipz is haemorrhaging support thanks to his endless fail and needs some blackup. Xenophon has a habit of holding the balance of power in the upper house, along with the greens.

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What "about-face"?

The tl;dr in the top post is from here: Charity Commission for England and Wales

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Maybe them fatcats in Canberra are doing some history revision



Church of the New Faith v. Comm'r of Pay-Roll Tax


Emphasis mine

Considering the storm over Turning Point related deaths, there have been calls for legislative changes to stem the tide of quackery therapies that kills people with insanity.

Ya think CofS' history of suspicious deaths couldn't bite them in the ass<rhetorical>

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So... will COS push the VM's PR even more so now?
If so, are they any ex's out there that were part of the VM's that can debunk the VM's agenda?
I know a while back Pooks (I think it was) said the first thing the VM's do when they get to a disater site is set up a board and take PR pictures. Also handing out other people's donations and pushing pamphlets or books on people.
sorry if this was brought up already, I did not plow through the whole thread again.

if this idea sucks.... cocks and all as usual.

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Congrats AusAnons - and keep the pressure up!

Also, please stop derailing the thread with "XYZ is/isn't a real religion" - it's irrelevant in so many ways.

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But XYZ isn't a religion so it doesn't matter.

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FFS, shut it.

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The Gates of Justice are swinging open. From past experience, I make very few promises unless I know the expectation is real and tangible.

These Gates will swing wide open, I promise.

From a Canadian supporting Australia 110%.

David Love

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Note regarding VM's...Over in the "2nd Wave" Haiti thread, they are now looking for donations for THWTH booklets (generates money going up lines), rather than food, clothes, and medical supplies.

BigBeard

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The booklets are a good money scam. They cost 14 cents to print in bulk (leaked ABLE docs for that) and 7 cents royalty per booklet goes to the "L. Ron Hubbard Library", a fictitious business name for the Church of Spiritual Technology.

So (after 10% has been scraped off gross income and sent to ABLE), a third of the booklet donation money goes uplines to the top of the pyramid.

This is assuming that they actually print any booklets. (The claimed numbers are usually like a 5 year bum-wipe supply for the region targeted.)

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Details of the inquiry are now up
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Economics Committee: Tax Laws Amendment (Public Benefit Test) Bill 2010