Sunderland Rates Relief based talk

Discussion in 'Scientology Property Tax' started by Bluebell, Aug 31, 2010.

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  1. RolandRB Member

    I wonder if The Jackal will be there tomorrow.

    The trouble with Biberach/Riss is that every male under 60 has got a job here so at 8:30 in the morning, when I leave the house (always), and walk up to the train station to catch the bus (always), then any bloke under 60 is either at work at that time or on their way to work. So even if this guy is a genuine poofter with white hair and a fetish for expensive leather bags (like the briefcase shaped one he was carrying) then he would not be looking in the windows of a leather bag shop at that time - he would either be at work or on the way to work like every other male human being who lives around here.
  2. RolandRB Member

    Here is the problem. The whole Anonymous movement could be destroyed in a matter of days if PIs target me and my apartment here in Biberach Riss, 5 Gerbergasse, Germany 88400. I have General Mudkips sleeping in the guest room at the moment - though he is out at present. He is out on the prowl enjoying the night life as I write. I have told him that there are no gay men in Biberach and no gay scene here but that doesn't seem to stop him. One of my office draws is full of photos of him standing naked with other naked men. He looks ridulous as a short bald man obviously drunk and smiling from ear to ear but what happens if his wife and two daughters find out? I would say that he would be destroyed. I think he would crack and hand over all the records of his meeting with the pharma company finance lawyers and hand over all their financial transaction details. This would mean the end of the support and sponsoring of the Anonymous movement and then where would we be? I tell you - a bit more concentrated PI work around here for a few years would spell the end of Anonymous and virtually assure the HUGE EXPANSION of all the Ideal Orgs across the planet and Scientology basically being in control of the whole of Europe for the forseeable future.
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  3. RolandRB Member

    No tail this morning. :(
  4. Anonymous Member

    For your own protection and for evidence, can you photograph the PI who is following you?
    Perhaps file a restraining order?
  5. RolandRB Member

    If I see him again I'll go back in and fetch my camera out.

    Reminds me to recharge the battery.
  6. Anonymous Member

    No shit there's no tail, you paranoid fuckwit.
  7. RolandRB Member

    Just a man who peers into leather bag shop windows at 8:30 in the morning when they are closed when every living man around here is at work or going to work and can somehow get to the end of the street I walk down without being seen before I do. No, nothing. You have much wisdom.
  8. xenubarb Member

    Hey Roland

    What was I supposed to remind you to do?
  9. RolandRB Member

    Bugger - I almost forgot! Hang on..........

    OK, it's charging now.
  10. RolandRB Member

    I don't know when their review meeting will be held and whether they change their minds. It must be a lot harder to reverse a decision to grant it rather than just not grant rates relief in the first place. And if they do, will they decide that COSRECI was misrepresented in the application and ask for their money back? It's hard to decide if a deliberate misrepresentation was made. I have my own views on this but it is just my own view. Ideally, they will change their minds and ask for their money back. Should we have a poll with the three choices? 1) Leave as it is 2) discontinue rates relief 3) discontinue and ask for their money back.
  11. RolandRB Member

  12. RolandRB Member

    Is this in the Millfield Ward? If so then:

    Councillor Paul Dixon Millfield I hold my Ward Surgery every first Friday of the month between 10.00am and 11.00am at the Community Shop, St. Luke's Terrace, Pallion.
    Councillor Kevin Peter O'Connor Millfield I hold my Ward Surgery every first Tuesday of the month between 10.00am and 11.00am at The Lansdown Public House, Millfield.
    Councillor Iain William Kay Millfield
  13. RolandRB Member

    I am thinking that if we don't get the result we were hoping for as a result of the review meeting then I collect all the information together and send it to the three councillors for their consideration on this matter. So we can have two shots at this if need be. :)
  14. ryangiggs Member

    Roland, you're probably aware that the scilons also sometimes want people to know that they are being watched/followed.
  15. RolandRB Member

    It was strange. Normally the scilons like a person to know they are being followed. They want the PI to be showy and ask the neighbours about a person. This guy was just inept but then I always look out for something like this to happen so I spotted him straight away. So not his fault. Then the other night the same guy passed by me twice but he was different and looked like a real PI - about 56 and non-descript with mostly white hair who did not look in my direction. People that age who have to walk round a lot wear Doc Martins or similar shoes like he was wearing. So I can't be sure about him but if he were doing his job right then that would be the case.

    So I've had a definite tail in London when Andreas H-L was visiting. I had one the other morning and just the possibility of one the next evening. It is not CoS style - not that they are going to be able to hire a registered German PI to act the way they want. My new theory is that it is the German police who are worried about Anonymous. For a few times I have boasted of the leaders of Anonymous staying at my place (true) and that I am one of the leaders of Anonymous as well (not true, I am the worldwide banking officer) so maybe it is the police watching me. Either way, I don't give a dam.

    Edit: For those who have emailed me asking where their checks are then please understand that in any organisation such as ours there is bound to be corruption. Although I and my fellow banking officers are constantly on the alert for such possibilities, it is regrettably only after we have created and filled several secret bank accounts with huge amounts of pharma-company money that we will perhaps have an inclination to pass on money to your lot. Sorry, but that is the best we can do in the circumstances.
  16. RolandRB Member

    Dear Mr. Middlexxxxx,

    just in case this organisation is trying to pass itself off as a charity under UK law then I feel it my duty to refer you to the following document. In short, they should not be getting mandatory rates relief as the following document makes clear.

    I hope there will be a meeting arranged soon to review the decision to grant rates relief to this organisation. If this be not the case then perhaps you can advise me, as this matter may be appropriate for elected councillors to address.

    Roland Rashleigh-Berry
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  18. veravendetter Member

  19. RolandRB Member

    At this point, people need to get the local government councillors involved. And if people there don't do it then you will all have to live with it.
  20. RolandRB Member

    I want the businesses of Sunderland, if they are reading, to think on this:

    You provide a service to the public in Sunderland. You sell things to them that they want and need. You sell at a fair price and you are paid a fair price. The people of Sunderland want what you do, otherwise you would go out of business. You have to pay rates to the local council as businesses because you receive money from the public in exchange for providing a fair service that people are happy to pay to pay for.

    You pay rates - Scientology does not.

    Your local authority has decided that Scientology provides a benefit to the public that you do not. They let them off paying rates. But you must pay yours. They are deserving of rates relief for all they do. You are not.

    Please read up on this so called "Church" and ask yourselves if this is fair.
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  21. RolandRB Member

    I deeply and sincerely wish upon every member of Sunderland City Council that now they have collectively given their approval to the Church of Scientology operating in their area that at least one young member of each of their families joins this organisation.
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  22. veravendetter Member

    Yeah, experience the 'public benefit' first hand
  23. anon8109 Member

    I admire all the work you did RolandRB.
    Perhaps this issue will come up again when it's time to elect a new council?
    This battle may be lost for now, but the fight for justice will never end.

    It would be poetic justice, but I would not wish anyone to get trapped by the Scientology enterprise.
  24. RolandRB Member

    Sunderland City Council have jointly decided to propagate this organisation in their area and it will need young people to do their work so I hope it is using the young members of their own families rather than the young members of other families who oppose them being used as fodder for the cult. I do not think that unfair. I wish a young Sea Org member on every family of every Council member.
  25. xenubarb Member

    This has the makings of a good flier. If you were to include the sums lost to the Sunderland community by this relief, possibly dig up something the council claims it can't afford to fix, phone numbers where to complain and the amount of money Scientology would be paying without relief, it would be a Good Thing to distribute in that region sector.
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  26. veravendetter Member

    I'll begin work on that. Anything relevant, people want included, PM it. Or If you want, make your own for your personal use. I also think this is a good angle. Anything I get finished to distribute I'll put up here before printing/distributing.
  27. RolandRB Member

    OK, well just let me reword it a tad...........

    You pay business rates - Scientology does not.

    You provide a service to the public in Sunderland. You sell things that people want. You sell at a fair price and you are paid a fair price. The people of Sunderland accept what you do and if not, you would go out of business. You have to pay business rates to the local council because you receive money from the public in exchange for providing them a service they want. You provide a benefit to the public and the public pays you money in exchange that they are happy to pay.

    You pay business rates - Scientology does not.

    Your local authority has decided that Scientology provides a benefit to the public that you do not. They have told them that they do not need to pay business rates. But you must pay yours. They are deserving of rates relief for what they do. You are not.

    Read up on this so called "Church" and ask yourselves if this is fair.

    Oh well, I guess I lost this one. Hope you Anons can analyse and improve in the future. OG did his best but failed in this case. Now I must get back to my German lessons....
  28. RolandRB Member

    I sent the local authority a huge amount of stuff that I considered critical of Scientology but they must have gone through it and considered it carefully and decided that Scientology was charitable and helping people and worthy of a 100% business rates relief (unlike YOUR business that sells things for money) so I will be posting what I sent them for their consideration in the next two days and you can make your unbiased decision about the way you would have voted faced with the same information.
  29. RolandRB Member

    Can we have a scan of the article that was in the Sunderland Echo dated 24th Jan 2011?
  30. charlie Member

    What article .
  31. Anonymous Member

  32. Anonymous Member

    It would not surprise me in the least if the Scientology enterprise managed to blackmail or otherwise intimidate some of the council members.
    The corporation has a history of manipulating politicians.
  33. DeathHamster Member

    It doesn't have to be blackmail or intimidation. They do have unlimited time (as long as the staff don't blow) to schmooze the politicians, bend their ears, and put on rigged shows of what jolly good people they are. (But then again, blackmail and intimidation are the way I'd bet.)
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  34. RolandRB Member

    It isn't like that. It does not hurt any of the council members to grant them rates relief. But it might hurt them if they don't and they get sued so it is easier to give it. Granting mandatory rates costs the local residents almost nothing - like a tenth of a penny a year each. Topping up with discretionary relief costs the local residents but nothing that is going to hurt their pockets at all - like a few pence per year. So the easiest and safest thing to do is to give the cult its rates relief and then everybody is happy................

    .......or are they? And this is where we can apply leverage.

    Read carefully now. This OG wants to create a new generation of evil shit-stirrers out of the young idealistic generation of hacktivists reading this and I know that there are some who will cotton on and outdo my life's work in a week when they get good.

    Think how to lever this!

    Who would be upset about this?

    Local businesses will be upset about it if they get to know (as you will tell them by stuffing leaflets through their doors) that they pay rates - the "Church" doesn't. The local community appreciate what they do by buying things from them. If they didn't appreciate them and buy from them then their businesses would fold. The businesses in return, charge money for what they are offering and the customers choose to pay this out of choice and their reward for providing such a service to the public is to pay rates for it. They pay rates - the "Church" does not. The local community would prefer this "Church" to leave the area. But they do not have to pay rates and so THEY CAN AFFORD BETTER PREMISES than other local businesses that provide a good service to the local community.
  35. RolandRB Member

    Leaflet idea for all businesses in central Sunderland
    You Pay Rates - Scientology Does Not

    You must pay rates for your business and in the current economic climate, with customers having less money to spend, that must hurt. Contrast this with your local "Church" of Scientology at 51 Fawcett Street. Your local council has decided that they need pay no rates at all because they are a "charity" and beneficial to the community.

    With the rates you pay and with declining income, your business may have to close down. No such problem for the "Church" of Scientology now that they don't have to pay rates.

    You provide a service to the local community and if they don't like what you have to offer then you would have to close. Contrast this with your local "Church" of Scientology. Most people would prefer that it went away. But they will survive the economic downturn now that they do not pay rates.

    There are other "Churches" of Scientology in England. In the London Borough of Camden they have to pay rates. In Manchester they pay rates. For their large headquarters in East Grinstead they have to pay rates. And yet your local council have decided that they are so beneficial to the local community that they do not have to pay rates. And yet I am sure that they would not want a young person from their own families to get involved in what many people call a "cult".

    If you feel that this situation is wrong or unfair and you want this decision reversed, make your views known to your local councillor.
    A Sunday drop would be best so they have it to start the week with when they are less busy. Try to complete any obvious block of shopping streets or businesses at one go so the owners can call on each other to discuss the leaflet they have just read.

    I think targetting the business community is a better option than targetting the ordinary public with leaflets. It is cheaper, easier and could be very effective. At the end of the day, if nobody in Sunderland is bothered about this enough to even complain to the local council or their local councillors then things can stay as they are and they can all face the consequences of young members from their own families being sucked into this cult. For critics in the area, the best you can do is leaflet the businesses as above and then your job is done. It is for the people of Sunderland to decide what they want and to take action as they see fit.
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  36. RolandRB Member

    I am wondering if there is more we can do here. The link below explains the structure of local councils.

    How are Councils structured?

    Councils are made up of electoral wards or divisions. In some authorities one councillor represents each ward and in others there are multi-member wards. In the London Assembly there are additional seats allocated according to the proportion of votes gained by the political parties (the list system). From time to time the independent Boundary Commission reviews the boundaries to try to ensure every area is fairly represented on the council.

    The full council meeting, where all elected councillors attend and have the right to exercise their representative role through, for example, speaking, asking questions, putting forward motions and presenting petitions, is the sovereign body of the local authority.

    Following local government reforms, introduced by the Labour government since 1997, there is a split between the executive and scrutiny functions. In simple terms this means the council is run by a committee of portfolio holders responsible for specific areas of the council’s services (the executive) and its decisions are scrutinised by committees of backbench councillors. The way councils implement this in detail will vary from council to council.

    Most councils are led by a leader who is usually the leader of the majority political group on the council. The leader will normally chair the executive committee. Where there is no overall control the council will be led by a joint administration of the two largest political groups or, in some cases, one political party takes minority control. In a limited number of councils in the UK there is an elected Mayor who forms a Cabinet which takes on the executive role.

    The council’s committees perform a scrutiny role in the sense of critically examining the decisions of the executive. These scrutiny committees also conduct their own investigations and enquiries to produce reports for the full council proposing new policies and ways of operating.

    Council services are run and administered on a day to day basis by full time council officers and staff. The Council Executive has an overview of how these services are run. The range of services provided will vary according to the type of council. Some services are provided by the council itself – the ‘in house’ operation. Others are contracted out to private companies and voluntary sector organisations. All council services are required to deliver the best value for money for local residents and are regularly inspected to make sure they do.

    Unite has a particular interest in the delivery of local services for it is here where our members are employed. The contracting out of services began under the Conservatives and has continued under the Labour government. Unite has campaigned against contracting out, or, put more simply, privatisation. The main concern of the union is that employees whose work is contracted out do not lose their jobs and do not suffer in terms of worse pay, terms and conditions and pensions. Various campaigns to end differences in these, which created a two-tier workforce, have been undertaken.

    More information on how councils work in general can be found at the various websites run by the Local Government Association (, the Local Government Information Unit (, the Improvement and Development Agency for local government (IDeA) ( and the Department for Communities and Local Government ( or by logging on to the website of the local authorities(s) where you live.
  37. RolandRB Member

    I see Tony Morrissey is on the Management Scrutiny Committee and he was the person who delivered the petition.

    I think that this matter is not a lost cause. If businesses are leafletted and they complain to their ward councillor who in turn makes representation to the Council then maybe we can get this rates relief removed. As for "public benefit" then who the hell would want a young member of their own family to join this cult? And if that is the case then how could it possibly be of "public benefit"?

    It might be a good approach for the CoL as well.
  38. RolandRB Member

  39. Sponge Member

    With regard to earlier points about the granting of relief based on Sunderland council's criterea which, amongst other things, mentioned that scientology was proffered to them as being freely available to any member of the public (freely as in "free", moneywise) without exclusion......

    Here's something from the Melbourne Idle Org opening event media from this thread this week...

    Source: The Age 5th Feb 2011

    I'm not sure if this is still a point of attack and you may have enough existing documentation to labour the same point but at least, for the record, you have some secondary source newsmedia which is very recent and reporting the fact that, to practice scientology at these places, it costs money. Big money. Your one-stop fake counselling shop, which doesn't pay rates.
  40. RolandRB Member

    Yes, I saw it. They already have lots of information about the costs.
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