Xenophon and the Senate - The Next Step

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Yes that is one area that needs attention too. Maybe you and your friends can take care of that? I think that is kind of specialist. I personally think a mod should be careful to fraternize in such ways, especially in politics because people could well use you but i gather you have worked all that out already.

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I like this thread - it is time for action!

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Remember the global rally at Australian embassies we had back in November?

I think we should start planning another one, right now.

That's right, we should have another GLOBAL RALLY AT AUSTRALIAN EMBASSIES.

This time, we will have it on a day when their embassies are actually open. (/facepalm)

This time, we will be ready. We have till late summer to plan, research, gather exes accounts, and collect signatures, affidavits, and dox.

This time, we can hand deliver our materials and petitions directly to officials of the Australian government. All over the world. On one day.

This time, we will have plenty of time to poon the media in advance, and have coverage of our work really get noticed as it rolls around the world.

We should also gather others who would wish to see tax exemptions reviewed for all religions and charities. Atheists and Australian expats and fiscal conservatives and progressives and teabaggers and the list goes on -- dunno if this idea is so great, but if the public benefit review is to be universal for all religions and charities, its supporters should be more than a just a bunch of masked faggots and ex culties. They all should be given a platform in solidarity with us to call for this fair and universal review, and, if they come prepared, to deliver their own materials to Australian officials.

The impact of a Global could be multiplied by inviting peaceful protestors of all stripes who have an interest in seeing this legislation passed. People have already discussed that if the Australian effort is successful, it will extend its awesomeness throughout the Commonwealth. A large and multipartisan Global calling for universal reviews of tax exemptions, followed by successful passage of mandates in Australia and other Commonwealth nations, may give Amerikan Anons the political toehold required to push for a similar universal review of tax exemptions in the USA.

This could go beyond anything we dreamed Chanology was capable of, the review and revocation of tax exemptions from ALL abusive organizations that do not deserve them, not just CoS.

With the approval of the hive mind, this will become its own thread. I'm gonna go search for the list of Australian embassies and consulates and their addresses. I'll also need help brainstorming about just who we would want to invite to such a Global. Atheists and tax reformers (both Lib and Con) are on top of my list.

/leaderfagging

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I'd like to see a big ol pie chart of how much money profit goes for charitable purposes.
By that means, it all goes to the cult fronts. And out of that how much to schmooze politicians

Just thinking of the value in millions they own vs 60 bucks a week x few members would show all the money goes to unknown leaders with the rest for swaying gubmint officials

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add to the pie chart exorbitant amounts paid to clam lawyers. The only thing that works in scientology are its lawyers.

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I've updated the posting on this development at Infinite Complacency:

Infinite Complacency: 11 Xenophon wins committee inquiry

You've got a little more information on how the hearings will be
handled (in public) and some more information on the two
academics named as possible witnesses.

I've also explained the chronology of what happened a little more clearly:
thanks to my helper, who has to remain anonymous, for picking up the
typos and pointing me towards the relevant Hansard entries.

Best,

Jonny Jacobsen

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This is indeed true. Yet in the 1999 UK Charity Commissioners decision it's clear that they did claim the supposedly "secular" teachings of Hubbard as being "Scientology" and being implemented by other entities in the community.

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Thanks to all of you for helping us out and doing this, guys. All those brains and everone working together... mmmmm!

Anonymous delivers!

We ex's love you.

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holy crap that is ridiculous
those numbers have to be effecting the other tax payers in that community?

Need to get a 2010 update and get it under the eyes of the resident tax payers.

Something along the lines of "Why should resdients be under such a tax burden, while the Church of Scientology gets way with only paying $ on $$$$$$ assessed property?"

Other areas should be researched and let the residents know what COS pays or I should say what they don't pay in taxes.

Naturally they can say "well what about other religions and their tax free properties?"
But do any other religions in the US own as much property in one area compared to Cleawater and Ca?? Please dont' say "what about Vatican City in Italy"".

But very important here, is also the exclusive tax right offs COS members are allowed in the US and the fact that COS does not follow the US regualtions for 501C tax exemption.

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Don't forget that wornderful .pdf chart showing the actual linkage of supposedly "independent" organizations actually controlled by RTC, etc. Where did I put that link??? arrgh!

BigBeard

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This one?

COS Organization Chart - Why We Protest Wiki

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See Ex Scientologist Message Board

It is on the members only area however.

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That's the chart alright. Thanks!

There was a downloadable .pdf version floating around at one point also. Any idea if that's still available?

BigBeard

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i mirror'd it on scribd here:
Church of Scientology Organizational Chart

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Was asked on another thread to write up a little something for the Operation Press Pack, regarding the confusion technique used allover scn materials. The existence of cia-like technique is provable, and Australia should not like any such activity on their soil.

The likening of scientology to an intelligence agency with other additions - such as surveillance of members or anyone, coupled with verbal tactics that teach members to procure (and even store) massive amounts of information all go together.


Even found a quote the other day from Volney Mathison, pro-D Ewen Cameron, psych involved in cia.
Eventually we may find some of these characters tied to the Ford Foundation programs.

One ex-member, Gerry Armstrong concurs:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...jhxu0J_N81NjJcXuWKV0Q&sig2=f3SPVmU9r43GgbEp4-

quote:

In my opinion, Scientology interrogations hypnotize the conscience and replace the subjects' natural moral and ethical considerations ever more strictly in compliance with Hubbard, the organization and David Miscavige. Scientology processing acts in ways similar to CIA interrogations on "willing" subjects, including as a conversion/reconversion mechanism. See also: KUBARK Interrogation manual.

and

Hubbard taught that people do not take responsibility for the area of life in which they have undisclosed crimes. (Ref. HCOB 23 December 1959 Responsibility). Scientology interrogations elicit the supposed underlying crimes and evil intentions which prompted those crimes and imagined crimes.

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I'm trying to think how scientology (or any tax exempt organisation with no public benefit) could possibly come forward to make a case against having a public benefit test there without putting their heads on the chopping block at the same time.
I mean, just what the hell do you say to an inquiry, especially when you've already been proven to have no public benefit for charitable purposes under the same sort of tests by the England & Wales Charity Commission?

There isn't really any moral argument against the principle. I think we should call this situation a "Xenophon's Choice".

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If you think a wave of ex's would help, I may have an idea. Remember ESK's project: Voices in Unison? It was designed to let people who'd never spoken out before do so together, so they wouldn't feel alone. They're all compiled at ESK. Truth be told I haven't read any of them, but there's a solid number of them. If these people really all want to speak out - together - now could be a good time, no? It's a bit of a long shot but if you think it would help you may want to contact the admins. They're very clear about protecting their contributors, but they could be willing to contact them and put forward the idea. Worth a shot right?

Voices in Unison

Contact

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You deal with it by arguing from any other group than your own:

"Think how this will affect (insert marginal but honest sect here), do you really want to go down that road of bigotry?"

You know, in the "I'm not a scientologist, but" tradition.

That's why I wrote that this could turn into the straw-man debate of the decade. Until this is law, this is not about scientology, it is about the bill and whether it can be implemented. We need to monitor this closely, and call out any scientologist trying to pass themselves off as anything else.

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We are talking about the Footbullet Gang...

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I was part of Brisanon but we don't have a forum anymore so I finally got around to signing up here. Never had much to contribute before but maybe I can be of some help here. First I am an older anon, much older, and this compootater stuff is tricky so be patient. I have previously made submissions to a number of senate inquiries before and given evidence at public hearings. Not because I'm someone special, I drive a truck for a living. I will pass on what I have learned. If it is of use then use it, if not, disregard.

Shortly this senate committee will post a call for public submissions. If you look at previous inquiries (they are online) you can see what people have said in the past and get some ideas. Previously submissions have been accepted from other countries as long as they are relevant. The more submissions the better.

Then the senate committee will travel to different cities and hold public hearings. People who have made submissions will be invited to come and speak about their submission and answer questions. While witnesses are not under oath it is explained that telling bullshit to a senate inquiry is an offence. The upside is that you speak under "parliamentary privilege" which means you cannot be sued for defamation.

Being involved in this gave me a chance to get to know a few senators a little better. One told me she gets nearly a thousand emails a day, plus letters and phone calls. Anything not signed with a real name and address or abusive gets binned instantly.

My suggestion for what it's worth is to start organising people to write submissions. But it has to be people with something meaningful to say. Maybe we can work out some guidelines and post them here. Happy to help any way I can.

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Yes. I love ESK. Anyone a member there and can tee this up for discussion?