Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

Discussion in 'Senator Xenophon And Scientology' started by El Diablo, May 18, 2010.

  1. PodPeople Member

    Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    the Still Believers will say/quote that the only purpose for ethics & justice is to get the tech (referring to auditing tech) in and abuses only due to misapplication.

    Not. ethics and justice is to Force & Enforce whatever a sci needs to "learn" or "win at" and to keep the blinders on. It's an interwoven web that micromanages every thought, decision and action about any part of one's life.

    Removing the religious blinders long enough to expose the crimes for the all the world to see, without prejudice, should at least choke the flow of new people and new money for good.
  2. Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    This should be an operation/project for anons in general. The information is there, but as far as I've read, there is no masspacket of abuses that coincide with the policies. Sci's will hide what they need to hide while under the scrutiny of any govt., making it hard for the govt to fully research what needs to be found. I think leaving dox in the email boxes of those in charge, complete with examples of the policy/abuse correlation will help them in their inquiry.

    I hope this inquiry happens
  3. RightOn Member

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    I agree.
    and not to sound like a broken record on all the threads, but the list should be attatched to the packet as it has MANY stories of abuse, court cases, interviews, and more
    It speaks for itself
  4. Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    I'm down for an all-nighter research project. The list is obviously going to be "source" for the comparison project, but finding the policies that go with the abuses is where I have trouble. I have to admit I'm not as up on Hubtard Policies as I should be.

    Edit: I'd go so far as to foot the bill for the printing/binding of a pretty book like the scifags made against us in Hemet...I'd just need to know who to pay...
  5. RightOn Member

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    This may be a good source?
    Refund and Reparation - Dr. Stephen Kent: Malignant Narcissism and L. Ron Hubbard
    and don't forget about their creed in general.
  6. RolandRB Member

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    Some of the worst abuses are not covered by Policy but rather established practices. The poor health care of Sea Org staff is one. At one stage they were well looked after and their medical costs paid. Forced abortions is another but there is some policy to say that Sea Org staff with children will be moved to a lower Class V Org. I haven't got the policy letters. You will need ex-staff or ex-Sea Org members for this.

    Important is the RPF. Some people have spent ten years on the RPF. The RPF should be covered by Policy. Disconnection is another, like fair Game, where they claim it is not Policy any more but they still practice it in any case. You would have to prove this.

    I am guessing that for a judicial inquiry the judge will decide what issues are important. Somehow, you have got to make sure the right people are available and the right information and somehow link up with the investigation. Aussie ex-Sea Org and ex-staff should come in very useful in this.

    This could get interesting. I am almost feeling happy.
  7. RightOn Member

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    This is a great link!
    there is some useful stuff here perhpas
  8. Goosh Goosh Member

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    /r/ we send xenuphon a guy fawkes mask in the mail as a present
  9. Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    So, are we in agreement that this should become a project? I submit for your approval a dedicated thread.
  10. RightOn Member

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  11. RightOn Member

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    I think it's great
  12. RightOn Member

  13. Anonymous Member

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    wikileaks is back up! there are lots of useful documents there.
    For example the policies on the RPF:
    Scientology cult unlawful imprisonment RPF order 3434RE 1997 - WikiLeaks

    Full list of leaked dox:
    Category:Scientology - WikiLeaks
  14. Anonymous Member

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    Hey Roland, good to see you back up to snuff and posting logically again.

    Your good idea is good: evidence of harm caused by policy + copy of scientology policy.
  15. Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    I thinks the dianetics aftar der butts maeks them paut it in othars butts.
  16. BigBeard Member

  17. RolandRB Member

    Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    Having a judicial inquiry is a hugely better idea.

    For anyone doing write-ups of the experience then note the following:

    For time spent on the RPF, OSA will counter it with numerous stories about how happy people were on the RPF and how they got god food, fresh air, lots of auditing and how they never felt better in their lives. That the RPF is a sort of holiday from work to allow people to recover and regain their purpose. This means you have to make sure your write up contains enough details about the conditions such that this could not be the case.

    For disconnection where the parent is left in then OSA will blame the person in for the condition. You have to make sure you include discussions with the staff so that it is obvious the staff are keeping you disconnected.

    Emphasize the violations of your human rights.
  18. Anonymous Member

  19. Anonymous Member

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    Done, and updates sent also.
  20. Lorelei Member

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    That's also my opinion.

    Also, IF they start abiding by the law and stop abusing people and setting up front groups everywhere to dispense medical / psychiatric advice without a licence, I don't care if adults want to shout at ashtrays and zap each other with useless voltometers and have nightmares about Xenu and angry dead space alien ghost cooties.

    If they can come up with a variety of Scientology that doesn't defraud or harm anyone else or consider lying to outsiders OK, and which does not involve breaking laws, promoting quack medicine, or getting an unfair tax exemption when they provide the exact opposite of a public good, that would be fine by me.
  21. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    I would still laugh at it and tell people that it sucked, but I can't think of a reason to protest it. Well, aside from the free psych drugs, of course.
  22. Anonymous Member

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  23. anonhuff Member

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    Something worth bringing up would be that these 'statements of win' or whatever they are called in scispeak are obtained through coercion; you cannot graduate on to the next course (towards what scientology tells you is the only way to not be doomed forever) without writing down how the current course helped you and what you got out of it.

    These statements and writeups are not voluntary, if you wish to continue in scientology. And what happens when you leave scientology is the unlawful freeloaders bill but someone that's been sucked into a cult and lost contact with the outside world unless filtered through the cult's eyes/ears probably does not have the knowledge of the law or might be frightened to seek legal advice due to the threat of lawsuits, the "high crime" SP declare and other methods enabled through scientology policies used to stop people from exercising their free will while under their influence.

    That's hard to make someone understand in a brief time who just thinks 'haha oh scientology that's where they teach you to jump on couches right lol'.
  24. Lorelei Member

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    @anonhuff: People may understand how an adult can be coerced into making "win statements" if you put it into a context they can relate to. I don't know about you, but even as a kid, I knew my own opinion about things and what I liked and didn't like, etc., and if you're not a very malleable child, eventually you are going to run afoul of an adult with control issues who is not keen on a kid who resists the adult's efforts to tell the child what s/he "really" thinks about something.

    Say that this adult decides to be punitive and forces the child to sit in a corner or whatever, not to come out until the child agrees that the opinion held by the adult is also the opinion held by the child. Say also that this child is no pushover, and resists and resents anyone trying to tell them what their opinion is while ignoring what their opinion REALLY is.

    So you have a kid sitting in a corner for hours and hours and hours, no more inclined at the end of that time to deny his or her personal reality than when first sent to the corner to "think about" changing his or her opinion. One of two things are going to happen:

    1. The child will give in and decide that this is a battle not worth fighting, because the child has better things to do than stare at a wall, and will thus lie and tell the adult what the adult wants to hear


    2. The adult will give in and decide that this is a battle not worth fighting, and will tell the child that s/he can get up out of the corner, and to forget it and to go do something else somewhere else.

    Within Scientology, from what I understand, scenario #2 rarely, if ever, happens. Partially this may be because the punitive adult in this analogy is actually a whole bunch of adults who can "tag in" and "tag out" like tag-team wrestlers or something and resume observation of the ongoing punishment. Naturally, they'll be all refreshed and well-rested, and with only two people in the situation, while there is a slim chance the "child" will out-last the "adult", it is more likely that the "adult" will outlast the "child".

    From what we've been told by exes (Scientologists, Narconon employees, etc.), situation #1 is usually what happens. Since there is just one person "not getting with the program" and writing what the cult wants him or her to write, and more than one cultist available to reinforce the "sit there until you change your ways and act as we want you to" punishment, not many people could manage to out-wait that many folks without having to go to the bathroom, or rest, or eat and drink something. Eventually you are going to fold and just write whatever they want you to write.

    And if your spirit is not completely broken at that point, and you signal your disagreement through excessive sarcasm or a frownie face doodle (as David Love did on one of his enforced "reports"), the cultists are going to reject your statement until you turn that frown upside down...though they may be too humourless or education- / literacy-challenged to figure out that the rest of your report is thoroughly sarcastic.

    If someone has ever gotten into a battle of wills with someone who has more (perceived) power--and the ability to promote or punish you--than him or her, they might "get it," especially if they remember that they probably lost those battles of will more often than they won them, and did or said whatever it was the person in power--the adult--wanted them to: You're not sorry for something you supposedly said or did or failed to say or do? Maybe you will still say you are sorry, even though you are not in the least bit sorry, because you are bored and tired of looking at the wall.
  25. HellRazor Member

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    IOW, it's like "The Emperor's New Clothes".
  26. El Diablo Member

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    I like your analogy. Might add that there's an element of self-selection going on, because those people that do go down the second route - refuse to say they've had a "win" or "gain" - well, they're not likely to continue in Scientology for very long (considering the CoS isn't gonna relent) your left with a consensus/false consensus by default; increasing the pressure for those in the middle to fall into line and "agree".

    At least that's what I've gathered from posts/online comments of people who've gone along to seminars/Scientology course and thought: "Man this is way do these guys have anything useful to offer me". They ain't the people who are still, or ever really were in. The "voices of dissent" are effectively self-selecting themselves out of the group.
  27. Anonymous Member

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    All true. Much of the perceived power of Scientology comes because people are paying for the time they are kept on course!
  28. Albion Member

  29. Anonymous Member

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    Very nicely written. Clearly explained so that outsiders can understand what is going on, and lots of dox included.

    Thank you Jonny.
  30. Re: Xenophon calling for a JUDICIAL inquiry

    re. the RPF angle: there are a number of reports from well-known exes that their entry into the RPF was anything but voluntary.

    Threats and inimidation, and in some cases, physical restraint by a group of people was used to force people to accept their consignment to the RPF. Thereafter, they were under guard night and day, or were otherwise not free to leave whenever they chose.

    Every aspect of the above is illegal. These are serious crimes, and it appears there is at least one RPF in Australia (is this verified?)

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